| Posted By logic on 1/29/04 @ 11:24:46 AM |
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Do you believe in abortion? I believe in circumstance, and I think abortions are ok. Circumstance. You are a doctor and your wife is a house-wife of 11 years have a baby on accident, and you don't want it so you get an abortion. You have plenty of money and one parent to always be at home atleast. This is wrong, I don't support this in the least. A 19yr. old college female is raped and is pregnant, and wants an abortion. I support his fully, if I was female I would not want a baby to constantly remind me of my atrocity or of the spawn of which it came. In this I believe abortions are fitting. A man and wife of 10 years have a child on accident, but are struggling and cannot afford the babies needs, much less their own. They want an abortion. There are other variables of course, but this is a "meh" case, one way or the other, it's wrong for a married couple to get rid of a baby due to human error, but if they believe they are doing it because they can't support the childs health, then I would agree to it, as long as it is not because they do not want the 'burden' |
| Posted By lincolnluxor on 1/29/04 @ 12:17:39 PM |
| I'm pro-life, ok under certain situations... don't really feel like posting a huge thing right now explaining mine.. |
| Posted By tacoX on 1/29/04 @ 12:28:11 PM |
| I voted the second option. It should totally be up to the woemen with the girl. |
| Posted By Scoogen on 1/29/04 @ 1:24:28 PM | ||
Pro-Life... It's just what I've got installed into my head.
About that, our general public needs to become more learned about what doctors can really do. If a girl is raped, the next morning, she can go to the emergency room and they can do their stuff to make sure she doesn't get pregnant. It is extremely effective, and I don't think I've heard of a case where that procedure failed. So really, if the girl was truly raped, and truly did not want to have sex, then there is a way to prevent a child. But if this 19 yr old girl has sex, and when she learns she has gotten pregnant decides, "I don't want a baby, I'll say he raped me!" That is totally wrong. For situations like that, the mother should carry and birth her child, then give it up for adoption. Killing a human being is wrong, no matter how old they are. How can you approve that a fetus is not a human? Yes, they may not look human, but they sure have the genetic makeup and the possiblitity to grow up and be a normal PERSON! So by having an abortion, you are killing another human life. A big example of this is murder in the second degree. Where a man, kills his wife (1st degree) who happens to be pregnant with their child. What does this mean? It means that the government is able to give some rights to the child, when his/her mother is killed, but when the mother says it's okay, then it's okay to kill that life. REally what the government is doing is calling it a life only if mother decides if it is one or not. Just my two cents. |
| Posted By logic on 1/29/04 @ 6:21:14 PM | ||||
What you've got to understand is that the procedure for preventing pregnancy, which, by what you are saying, preventing the fetus from taking shape, is still an adoption. The procedure for which you are refering is simply blocking off the females eggs or injecting (through needles or pills) an enzyme which voids the fertility of the mans semen. Basically, for arguments sake. Man's semen (roughly 3 billion on average) are injected into the female, I will not detail the passage of the semen because, frankly, I do not think there is any point, and some would probably be sickened by it, people just don't have the stomach. Out of this 3billion, they say roughly 50-150 sperm cells actually reach the eggs, out of 3billion... 3,000,000,000>50/150. It takes one sperm cell to reach an egg, fertilize it, and then a 75% chance (assuming fertile semen) to form an embryo. What you are saying is that if a woman goes to the doctor after being raped, or having had sex, they can do the 'procedure' to stop pregnancy, and this is not taking life. I beg to differ, both the eggs and semen are 'living organisms', and thus, technically speaking, alive. They are the 'parents' to the embryo, which is human. This procedure is also considered an abortion and is practiced at, i'm assuming, most abortion clinics. I agree killing is wrong. But that breaks it down into so many theoretical problems, but it's like this. John believes killing is wrong, and is so adamant about it that he would not ever consider taking any life, human or not. A man enters his house with a gun and points it right at him, and tells him to give him everything he owns. John, wisely, agrees and does so. The thief sets his gun down eventually to lift something, and carry it out. John, unshackled and unharmed thus far, finds the gun, and says nothing. John's wife comes home and the thief, inside now, begins pummeling her, takes out a knife, and stabs her, infront of John, then begins taunting John and striding toward him, with the obvious intent to kill John. John does not even pick the gun up, to even threaten the thief, because he is afraid it might go off and kill him. Because, killing is wrong. I agree killing is wrong, but if you harm my family, seriously threaten my life, or bring me to believe that my life or those I love is in danger, then you bet your fucking ass i'm going to lay waste to your existance. If my mother or wife is raped, I ensure you, abortions would happen, be it the infertile semen procedure or embryo sleep procedure. Raping is wrong, however 2 wrongs do not make a right. But raising a child that you personally abhor the cause of, such as being raped, is also wrong. Children should be raised with love and care, and very few women possess the ability to do that with a child conceived ill-naturedly. |
| Posted By Scoogen on 1/29/04 @ 7:49:57 PM | ||||
I agree with you that doing that procedure is taking a life. But not a HUMAN life. Once the sperm and egg have joined, it has becomed a HUMAN life. By destroying the semen, it only prevents the possiblity for making a human. Although sperm can be declared a life, they cannot be declared human. This is because although the sperm is carrying human DNA, the DNA is not the sperm's own DNA. Sperm is just a transport system to carry that genetic makeup to the egg to be completed. So I guess I agree that you can declare sperm a lifeform. But not a human life.
In that situation, I agree with you whole heartedly. Even though I don't want to get into the God aspect, but it does say in the Bible, that killing is okay, if it is in self-defence, or the defence of a family member or loved one(who is completely innocent). If I was in that situation, I would have instantly taken the gun, and do my best to scare the guy away. If he were to approach my wife with a knife, looking like he has the intent to stab her, I would not hesitate to fire. |
| Posted By Momma on 1/29/04 @ 9:04:26 PM |
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As a woman I believe abortion is alright because sometimes its just not good to bring a life into the world. There are too many kids running around out there with fucked up lives. Yes there is adoption, but if i had a child and gave it up for adoption i would never be able to live with myself because i would know that there is someone out there that i brought into the world that would never know me. Yes i am selfish in that respect and i am sorry but that's just how i feel. This topic is incredibly controversial and usually people get incredibly offended not matter which side you take. I also don't think you feel strongly one way or another you can't be swayed. This will go down as one of the most heavily debated topics with it really never being solved. Anyway women perspective and my two cents on the whole matter, take it for what you will. |
| Posted By Scoogen on 1/29/04 @ 9:10:31 PM |
| Ya, it's nice to have a woman's perspective, because a man could never get as attached to a child as much as its birth mother. Thanks for your side of the story. |
| Posted By logic on 1/29/04 @ 9:20:05 PM | ||||
I agree, with most. You basically are saying that freezing the sperm/egg is ok because its not human, i can live with that, but since this is debate, i'll debate with you anyway. I agree.. i would much rather have this particular procedure done than the other way around, but nonetheless you are taking life, regardless of you saying it is 'not-human' is void. Humans have sex make a human baby, that baby is made with sperm and egg, by 'killing' the sperm and the egg, you are in turn killing a baby.
You just argued against yourself, because the sperm and egg may not look human, but the damn sure have the possibility to 'grow up' and be a normal person. |
| Posted By jlr3001 on 2/10/04 @ 11:05:52 PM |
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First of all, I'd just like to say that abortion is not a gender gap issue. The opinions of the public are pretty much divided evenly between pro-life and pro-choice. (Women and men have approximately the same numbers.) It's my opinion that aborting a fetus is wrong. The only instance where it could be acceptable would be if the womans life is in danger. I know, I know...what about rape victims? Well, I don't see an event, even one so horrible as rape, justifying the killing of an innocent life. Yes, that child was brought into the world by a horrible act, but why punish the child for the sins of the father. If the mother could not stand to keep the child, there are always adoption agencies. I also think about how great an experiance life is. I can't imagine coming so close to life only to have it snatched away from me in one swell manuever. -Thanks |
| Posted By Pharismo on 2/11/04 @ 8:12:00 AM |
| well i think that abortion is wrong because u will b killing a live been but whem the woman got sexual violent i think u can do it, but ONLY in this case, if u got a babe and cant suport it give it so u wont has responsable about it, well abortion is a wrong thing for me |
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