Final cost = $1487 *not with mail-in-rebate*

I'll be added sound card, video card, etc.

What do you guys think?

Get either an Athlon XP, or 64 rig, if you can afford it.

Also, if you want a P4, get a P4C core. Like a 2.8C, for example.

If you want to save ultimate money, build it yourself, and if you want a PC, don't get a fuckin' dell.

Dell is only good for their jukebox, and their laptops. By the way, you're getting ripped off, crazy. I could build your system for $600 minus all of the bullshit you get from Dell that you probabyl won't use anyway. The graphics card is crap, I wouldn't accept it for free. It's GeForce2 Ti based, and I doubt you can run much on it nowadays.


You can get prices for parts here, and you can get a guide on how to build your own PC here.

Not true.

I will argue, that the most pleasure i'v ever had in my life, was when I had 300 dell computers on the ground. Me, my truck, and 300 dell's on the floor.

Ok, so it was only a dream.. but the carnage.. the carnage felt so real!

What the fuck are you talking about? It is a 32bit cpu, with 64bit extensions. That means you could run windows, faster than an Intel CPU of the same price, mind you, and tomorrow, you could install and run Windows 64 bit and have a computer faster than any Intel system in existance. Also, if you buy a socket 939 system today, it'll run you a bit of cash, but you have a slew of upgrade options for years to come.

By the way, the 2.8P4 doesn't have an 800MB Buffer, it has an 800Mhz FSB, which is going to be replaced with a 1066Mhz FSB within a few months because they need to catch up to the 1.6Ghz fsb of the Athlon 64.

Oh, and there is no such thing as a shitty Athlon 64 939 motherboard. I'd prefer one with a VIA chipset rather than an nForce3, though.

Never said anything about any specific motherboards. Read more carefully in the future.

Youre right, its Front Side Bus, currently fucking with my HD which has an 800mg buffer, and I am mixing terminology. Important thing is I got my point across because you obviously understood what I am talking about.

Here is what the fuck I am talking about.

A) No shit it is a 32bit cpu with 64bit capabilities. Nobody ever said otherwise. My POINT, for those of us that CAN read something and retain its context, is that you are paying for 64bit capabilities that are NOT WIDELY IN USE, and WILL NOT BE for many years. So you're paying extra, and for what? Shit you will NOT use, and by the time you can use it,.you will have upgraded to a faster processor anyway. A lot of people are saying that AMD released this too soon, that the populous on a whole is not ready for it, but thats ignorance. AMD released it at the perfect time...the time to get people who think they know more than they do to buy these dumb chips for no reason. If you want to waste your cash, thats fine. But I dont SUGGEST it.

And, er, no. They do NOT run faster than an Intel for the same price. Most people sit and see (exampled generalized for arguments sake) a P4, fully decked out, at say 2.5 gHz for price X. They then see an AMD Athlon 3000+ for around price x, and they buy it, thinking it means it is a 3gig machine. Where, it is actually somewhere around a 2.2...its AMD's clocking system. They clock it at 3000, but it is EQUIVALENT to a P4 2.2, or whatever. Point being, they are NOT faster, they just have misleading model numbers.

And do you really think Intel is going to let AMD lead the industry in 64bit technology? They are perfecting their 32bit while its still the most common, and when 64bit software becomes available, don't think they wont be right there to own AMD's ass. (By the way, in my experience, which is extensive, P4 processors handle longer, more strenuous activity far better than Athlons.

If you wish to continue this discussion, bring it over to B N M, or the Debate forum. Just remember, my whole point is P4 is way more cost-effective than an Athlon right now, and has been for some time. Athlons are NOT better, they are in more cases INFERIOR to P4s. I build computers regularly, and I know a lot of people who have their own computer-related businesses. I am around this stuff constantly, and I am confident that Intel chips are better than AMD's.

*And now, lets get back on topic. This is a thread based on Dell computers, not an AMD/Intel debate. Make a thread for that if you want, but I am confident that I have proved my point. I know this is kinda hypocritical, saying this after a post containing only one instance of the word "Dell" but it was in the spirit of helping out AT, and not disputing you, so I find it justified. Back on topic.*

I never claimed that you said anything about specific motherboards. I just added that little tidbit of info in because it tied into my point. Is that okay with you?

As far as I know, there is no 800MB buffer in Hard-Drives, either. I know that there are 8MB buffer Hard-Drives, and 16MB ones are in the process of being developed.

Even with the 64-Bit integrated, the Athlon 64 is (for the most part) cheaper, and faster than any Intel CPU of similar rating. Take the Newcastle 2800+ for example. It's faster than a 2.8C, and it's about the same price range. Once in a while one beats the other by $5 here and there. I'm gonna quote PC Perspective on this.

UT 2K3:

Business Winstone:

WinRAR:

^In this benchmark, the tables showed the FX51-53 leading the pack, the only two processors beating the 2800+ were the 3.2EE and 3.4EE chips. (They cost in excess of $1000, now.)

Overall, the Athlon 64 seems to dominate in real apps, such as Gaming. The Pentium4 seems to lead the industry with video editing, and synthetic benchmarks.(fat lot of good that does)

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. That's like saying a 1.7 Centrino is inferior to a 2.2Ghz P4. You're a victim of the Mhz Myth. Clock speed isn't everything when it comes to performance. The newest core 1.7 Centrino, for exampe, is supposedly equivalent to a 3.2Ghz P4. This is all according to your beloved intel, mind you.

They already did. Intel is developing a 64-Bit CPU and is hurrying to get it on the marketplace. Do you know what extensions they're using? That's right, little Timmy! AMD64 extensions. Do you know why? Because Microsoft developed it's Xp64 operating system to run with only AMD64 code. XP64 is due out within the next 6-8 Months. The technology will be in use sooner than you think. Nobody needs PCI Express, but they're rushing it out.

This discussion belongs in this thread, by the way. I'm trying to sway him towards AMD64, you're trying to keep him at Intel. We're both trying to do what we feel is best for his computer, and that's why it's fine to have it in here.

Well, if you want to save money, and want to play those games at full settings, a home built system with a middling P4, or AMD Athlon 64 2800+ should suffice. I'm recommending www.pricewatch.com or www.newegg.com for parts.

If you need this pre-built, go to www.abspc.com, they build good, cheap, and reliable computers. I'd invest my cash in that, and with the money saved, buy a cool monitor, or something. They are rated #1 in the country for customer support.