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I’ve whittled my next car down to the GV60 or Ioniq 5, and I imagine given the close specifications and same foundation, GV60 owners have naturally faced the same choice.

I’m interested to understand what your thought process/rationale was to choose a GV60?

As it’s a company car my budget is set by the company, so the direct comparisons I’m making is:
  • Ioniq 5 Namsan AWD
  • GV60 Premium
    • Metallic paint
    • Artificial leather
    • Innovation
    • Panoramic roof
    • Comfort seat
    • B&O
Choosing the GV60 I’d be missing the leather seats, camera wing-mirrors, the V2L and rear heated seats. I think I could live without those though, especially getting the massage seats, memory steering wheel and proper augmented navigation in return.

My concerns with the GV60 are the artificial leather (no issues with saving the cows, just that it looked a bit naff on the configurator graphic) and boot size. As we have a 6 month old little boy, and a boy-so-small push chair, boot size has all of a sudden become important, probably the highest priority.
 

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Can't comment on the look of the leather - suspect that's down to personal preference. But yes boot space could be a concern. One of the reasons I like the GV60 is that it's not a big car, whereas the I5 is nearly 5 inches longer. But inevitably this impacts on rear+boot space and I think that Genesis have prioritised rear space over boot space. I can live with that, but others might think twice.

Again personally I don't specially care for the looks of the I5 whereas the GV60 looks fine to me. But personal preference again...
 

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I’ve whittled my next car down to the GV60 or Ioniq 5, and I imagine given the close specifications and same foundation, GV60 owners have naturally faced the same choice.

I’m interested to understand what your thought process/rationale was to choose a GV60?

As it’s a company car my budget is set by the company, so the direct comparisons I’m making is:
  • Ioniq 5 Namsan AWD
  • GV60 Premium
    • Metallic paint
    • Artificial leather
    • Innovation
    • Panoramic roof
    • Comfort seat
    • B&O
Choosing the GV60 I’d be missing the leather seats, camera wing-mirrors, the V2L and rear heated seats. I think I could live without those though, especially getting the massage seats, memory steering wheel and proper augmented navigation in return.

My concerns with the GV60 are the artificial leather (no issues with saving the cows, just that it looked a bit naff on the configurator graphic) and boot size. As we have a 6 month old little boy, and a boy-so-small push chair, boot size has all of a sudden become important, probably the highest priority.
Check out the Reddit thread I made as I was lookin for this answer too. I’m going to accept the GV60 within the next month.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/comments/vs6ouc
I wouldn’t buy any electric car at this time. We have a GV80 4 cylinder and just love it. No compromises to be made anyon this car. I can travel as far as I want and fill up anytime in minutes. Yes gas costs a lot more but you’re paying for the gas upfront on an EV. They are so overpriced. Might make sense if you keep it for 7-8 years but you will be tired of it in 4 years and want a new car. It’s old by then. My neighbor bought a KIA EV and has alot of planning to do if he goes outside the city. He was planning a 2 day drive to the east coast and was actually going to rent a car and pay the gas too because using his EV wasn’t making any sense. Buy a GV70 or GV80 if you want luxury and all the toys. Just pay the extra for the gas. It won’t cost you anymore in the end. EV’s are 15K and more over an ICE. I will buy one when the infrastructure is there and you can charge it up in 5 minutes
 

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I wouldn’t buy any electric car at this time. We have a GV80 4 cylinder and just love it. No compromises to be made anyon this car. I can travel as far as I want and fill up anytime in minutes. Yes gas costs a lot more but you’re paying for the gas upfront on an EV. They are so overpriced. Might make sense if you keep it for 7-8 years but you will be tired of it in 4 years and want a new car. It’s old by then. My neighbor bought a KIA EV and has alot of planning to do if he goes outside the city. He was planning a 2 day drive to the east coast and was actually going to rent a car and pay the gas too because using his EV wasn’t making any sense. Buy a GV70 or GV80 if you want luxury and all the toys. Just pay the extra for the gas. It won’t cost you anymore in the end. EV’s are 15K and more over an ICE. I will buy one when the infrastructure is there and you can charge it up in 5 minutes
Buying an EV or not greatly depends on your personal situation. There is a higher up front cost and I agree that road trips are not ideal in an EV yet. However, financially an EV makes sense for me in SoCal.

Currently with a Honda Accord that gets close to 30mpg, my wife spends $340/mo on gas @ $6/gal (about 20k miles/yr). She averages $75/mo in maintenance (oil changes, etc). 415/mo * 12mos = $4980. Over 4 years that’s ~$20k.

So in your scenario where I could get a $40k GV70 ICE or $60k GV60 EV and I will be “tired of the car in 4 years”, that $20k gap is already resolved. Gas would cost even more in the GV70 since it gets worse mileage than that Accord. There is also a $7.5k tax credit, and a few grand more back here in CA, so I’m significantly better off. And calcs just get better the longer keep the vehicle longer.

My wife never needs to wait for gas ever since she can do everything needed in under 200 miles per day and charges overnight at home. And my electricity barely costs me anything since I have solar panels.
On the rare chance we do need to roadtrip that far and don’t want to deal with charging an EV (maybe a few times a year?), I can still use that Honda Accord or rent an ICE.

Everyone’s needs are different, but for my situation, there is significant savings, even going to a more expensive EV. Not to mention the other benefits of an EV… performance, emissions, etc.
 

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Buying an EV or not greatly depends on your personal situation. There is a higher up front cost and I agree that road trips are not ideal in an EV yet. However, financially an EV makes sense for me in SoCal.

Currently with a Honda Accord that gets close to 30mpg, my wife spends $340/mo on gas @ $6/gal (about 20k miles/yr). She averages $75/mo in maintenance (oil changes, etc). 415/mo * 12mos = $4980. Over 4 years that’s ~$20k.

So in your scenario where I could get a $40k GV70 ICE or $60k GV60 EV and I will be “tired of the car in 4 years”, that $20k gap is already resolved. Gas would cost even more in the GV70 since it gets worse mileage than that Accord. There is also a $7.5k tax credit, and a few grand more back here in CA, so I’m significantly better off. And calcs just get better the longer keep the vehicle longer.

My wife never needs to wait for gas ever since she can do everything needed in under 200 miles per day and charges overnight at home. And my electricity barely costs me anything since I have solar panels.
On the rare chance we do need to roadtrip that far and don’t want to deal with charging an EV (maybe a few times a year?), I can still use that Honda Accord or rent an ICE.

Everyone’s needs are different, but for my situation, there is significant savings, even going to a more expensive EV. Not to mention the other benefits of an EV… performance, emissions, etc.
I agree 100%. It does depend on how you use your car. For you in California it’s a no brainer to go EV the way you use your car. Gas prices are the highest in the USA and yours rebates are great. Here in Canada we have rebates too but you get nothing if you’re buying an EV that’s at 60K. Have to be in the 40k range to max out rebates. Not much here for that other than the cheaper models. We have always driven mid priced Luxury cars and not about to downgrade. Our gas is currently 1.90 per litre in Montreal so almost $8 per gallon. We drive to and from Phoenix yearly to spend 6 winter months there, so no EV works for us. We like to travel with our car to Southern California and Palm Springs too. Price of gas isn’t much of an issue with us because once we get to the US it’s still cheap gas for us. We do 12000 miles a year and 80% is in the US, So we spend less than $500/year in gas up here. We don’t travel here much. But you do need to analyze what you need and what it really costs. And what you can afford. No way I’m ever paying $100K for a Luxury EV here which is about what it costs.
If you don’t do alot of miles per year the price of an EV won’t cover your gas and maintenance
 

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I wouldn’t buy any electric car at this time. We have a GV80 4 cylinder and just love it. No compromises to be made anyon this car. I can travel as far as I want and fill up anytime in minutes. Yes gas costs a lot more but you’re paying for the gas upfront on an EV. They are so overpriced. Might make sense if you keep it for 7-8 years but you will be tired of it in 4 years and want a new car. It’s old by then. My neighbor bought a KIA EV and has alot of planning to do if he goes outside the city. He was planning a 2 day drive to the east coast and was actually going to rent a car and pay the gas too because using his EV wasn’t making any sense. Buy a GV70 or GV80 if you want luxury and all the toys. Just pay the extra for the gas. It won’t cost you anymore in the end. EV’s are 15K and more over an ICE. I will buy one when the infrastructure is there and you can charge it up in 5 minutes
Totally agree, I went to the Genesis dealer to look at the ionic 5 and ended up purchasing my 2022 GV70. I put down $1000 to order the ioncig 5, with able to get a refund. After research I would wait for the 2023 ionic 5!
 

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Check out the Reddit thread I made as I was lookin for this answer too. I’m going to accept the GV60 within the next month.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/comments/vs6ouc
Thanks, some interesting points on that thread.

Unfortunately the Ioniq 5 put itself out of the running as it’s now a 10 month wait in the UK. As we’re struggling in my i3 with a 6 month old baby, we’re putting short delivery time high on the requirements.

So we’re now down to GV60 vs XC40 vs Model Y as the only EVs in the UK on a 6 months or less lead time.

I think I’ve already discounted the Model Y; as it’s a company car I have to keep it for 4 years and I’m not sure I could live with a Model Y for 4 years if I get one that rattles, or if I don’t get on with the central screen, or if one of the ‘unique features’ (software gremlins) annoys me. I also read it doesn’t have a great ride.

The XC40 is intriguing, I like the fresh look of EVs and so being an ICE conversion the XC40 is a bit ‘meh’, but I’ve always liked the newer volvo XC designs. It doesn’t get mentioned in ‘best of’ EV reviews at all, but all of the reviews give it a very good rating for ride, comfort, safety, performance and infortainment (android automotive). It ticks the boxes of having 200+ mile range, higher ride height to help with the baby, just about big enough boot space and a good quality fit and finish. Think this is in the lead at the moment.

The GV60 is coming for a test drive tomorrow morning so we’ll see how that goes. I wasn’t hugely impressed with the Ioniq 5 and I expect the GV60 might have the same quirks; e.g. iPedal not staying on, which was annoying when switching between drive and reverse during parking manoeuvres. The augmented navigation and toys like smart parking and massage seats might be enough to tempt me though if it feels a little bit more in touch with the road than the Ioniq did. The boot is the worry here, our pushchair isn’t exactly small.
 

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I wouldn’t buy any electric car at this time. We have a GV80 4 cylinder and just love it. No compromises to be made anyon this car. I can travel as far as I want and fill up anytime in minutes. Yes gas costs a lot more but you’re paying for the gas upfront on an EV. They are so overpriced. Might make sense if you keep it for 7-8 years but you will be tired of it in 4 years and want a new car. It’s old by then. My neighbor bought a KIA EV and has alot of planning to do if he goes outside the city. He was planning a 2 day drive to the east coast and was actually going to rent a car and pay the gas too because using his EV wasn’t making any sense. Buy a GV70 or GV80 if you want luxury and all the toys. Just pay the extra for the gas. It won’t cost you anymore in the end. EV’s are 15K and more over an ICE. I will buy one when the infrastructure is there and you can charge it up in 5 minutes
As someone else said, it depends on the circumstances, so I do agree with you. In the UK though EVs are incredibly beneficial for company car drivers. The company pays for the lease and the employee only pays a few hundred £££ per year. Admittedly PHEVs are not far behind with the same benefit, but I think the government will take that away before they do for full EVs and I have to think 4 years ahead. Also, fuel costs are significantly cheaper for EVs with some of the UK energy providers having special overnight rates whereit can cost a couple of £ to charge the car for a few hundred miles. Couldn’t get close to that in ICE or PHEV.

As a private buyer I’d be doing a lot more sums to see if it works out. As a company car driver in the uk, it’s a no brainer.
 

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Thanks, some interesting points on that thread.

Unfortunately the Ioniq 5 put itself out of the running as it’s now a 10 month wait in the UK. As we’re struggling in my i3 with a 6 month old baby, we’re putting short delivery time high on the requirements.

So we’re now down to GV60 vs XC40 vs Model Y as the only EVs in the UK on a 6 months or less lead time.

I think I’ve already discounted the Model Y; as it’s a company car I have to keep it for 4 years and I’m not sure I could live with a Model Y for 4 years if I get one that rattles, or if I don’t get on with the central screen, or if one of the ‘unique features’ (software gremlins) annoys me. I also read it doesn’t have a great ride.

The XC40 is intriguing, I like the fresh look of EVs and so being an ICE conversion the XC40 is a bit ‘meh’, but I’ve always liked the newer volvo XC designs. It doesn’t get mentioned in ‘best of’ EV reviews at all, but all of the reviews give it a very good rating for ride, comfort, safety, performance and infortainment (android automotive). It ticks the boxes of having 200+ mile range, higher ride height to help with the baby, just about big enough boot space and a good quality fit and finish. Think this is in the lead at the moment.

The GV60 is coming for a test drive tomorrow morning so we’ll see how that goes. I wasn’t hugely impressed with the Ioniq 5 and I expect the GV60 might have the same quirks; e.g. iPedal not staying on, which was annoying when switching between drive and reverse during parking manoeuvres. The augmented navigation and toys like smart parking and massage seats might be enough to tempt me though if it feels a little bit more in touch with the road than the Ioniq did. The boot is the worry here, our pushchair isn’t exactly small.
you’re correct about iPedal. I prefer the smaller vehicle size for parallel parking ease. Definitely bring the push chair with you and/or measuring tape to test it in the GV60 trunk to check if it fits your needs. GV60 build quality and materials seem significantly better than Tesla Y, XC40 and Ioniq5. Face Unlock and Touch Start have great value to me so I don’t need a key. Sound quality is far superior if that matters to you. GV60 has great sound isolation for a quieter cabin and sunshades for the rear seats. Faster charging speeds on E-GMP as well which Would make a difference for roadtrips.
 

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Thanks, some interesting points on that thread.

Unfortunately the Ioniq 5 put itself out of the running as it’s now a 10 month wait in the UK. As we’re struggling in my i3 with a 6 month old baby, we’re putting short delivery time high on the requirements.

So we’re now down to GV60 vs XC40 vs Model Y as the only EVs in the UK on a 6 months or less lead time.

I think I’ve already discounted the Model Y; as it’s a company car I have to keep it for 4 years and I’m not sure I could live with a Model Y for 4 years if I get one that rattles, or if I don’t get on with the central screen, or if one of the ‘unique features’ (software gremlins) annoys me. I also read it doesn’t have a great ride.

The XC40 is intriguing, I like the fresh look of EVs and so being an ICE conversion the XC40 is a bit ‘meh’, but I’ve always liked the newer volvo XC designs. It doesn’t get mentioned in ‘best of’ EV reviews at all, but all of the reviews give it a very good rating for ride, comfort, safety, performance and infortainment (android automotive). It ticks the boxes of having 200+ mile range, higher ride height to help with the baby, just about big enough boot space and a good quality fit and finish. Think this is in the lead at the moment.

The GV60 is coming for a test drive tomorrow morning so we’ll see how that goes. I wasn’t hugely impressed with the Ioniq 5 and I expect the GV60 might have the same quirks; e.g. iPedal not staying on, which was annoying when switching between drive and reverse during parking manoeuvres. The augmented navigation and toys like smart parking and massage seats might be enough to tempt me though if it feels a little bit more in touch with the road than the Ioniq did. The boot is the worry here, our pushchair isn’t exactly small.
Hope you’re test drive goes well. We have the GV80 and are very impressed with everything about the car/SUV. Super quiet to drive and from inside you really don’t hear anything outside.
I sometimes get out of the car while it’s still running thinking I shut it off, I don’t hear the Engine
Genesis has paased Lexus for reliability and I drove Lexus for 17 years with no problems at all.I switched due to their terrible Navigation system
Their Navigation system was not even close to what I have in the Genesis. It finds everything. Lexus was useless. Quality, comfort and drive are at least as good and after 2 years now. No issues no recalls. Volvo is way down near the bottom with Consumers reports and other sites that compare cars like JD Power
 

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And the results are in…test drive went well, unfortunately I had the Sport + (highest model in the UK) whereas I am interested in the Premium (lowest model in the UK), so I’m not sure how much I was impressed by the higher spec and how much of that to the lower model.

The drive was fantastic, it was as good to drive through some twisty UK B roads as my i3s is, maybe even better. It was so quiet and the sound system was fantastic. The best news is that the pushchair fits! It’s not the biggest boot but should be big enough for day to day use.

The boost button is ridiculous, that’s just a one way ticket to a speeding fine! 🙈

Does anyone know who provides the live traffic in the sat nav? Anyone compared the sat nav to google/waze/Apple to see how good its route guidance is? Lastly, anyone help explain how it works planning charging stations? Does it show charge time etc like ABRP or google automotive in the polestar?


you’re correct about iPedal. I prefer the smaller vehicle size for parallel parking ease. Definitely bring the push chair with you and/or measuring tape to test it in the GV60 trunk to check if it fits your needs. GV60 build quality and materials seem significantly better than Tesla Y, XC40 and Ioniq5. Face Unlock and Touch Start have great value to me so I don’t need a key. Sound quality is far superior if that matters to you. GV60 has great sound isolation for a quieter cabin and sunshades for the rear seats. Faster charging speeds on E-GMP as well which Would make a difference for roadtrips.
Sadly we don’t get face unlock in the UK, something to do with GDPR (that’s the UK/EU reglulations on protecting us mere mortals from big brother). The rear sunshades are also part of a £600 pack that I don’t think budget will stretch too.

Volvo XC40 test drive tomorrow but I don’t think it will better the GV60. I have a suspicion that the only question tomorrow will be whether to get the leather seats, or the vision roof. 🧐
 

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And the results are in…test drive went well, unfortunately I had the Sport + (highest model in the UK) whereas I am interested in the Premium (lowest model in the UK), so I’m not sure how much I was impressed by the higher spec and how much of that to the lower model.

The drive was fantastic, it was as good to drive through some twisty UK B roads as my i3s is, maybe even better. It was so quiet and the sound system was fantastic. The best news is that the pushchair fits! It’s not the biggest boot but should be big enough for day to day use.

The boost button is ridiculous, that’s just a one way ticket to a speeding fine! 🙈

Does anyone know who provides the live traffic in the sat nav? Anyone compared the sat nav to google/waze/Apple to see how good its route guidance is? Lastly, anyone help explain how it works planning charging stations? Does it show charge time etc like ABRP or google automotive in the polestar?




Sadly we don’t get face unlock in the UK, something to do with GDPR (that’s the UK/EU reglulations on protecting us mere mortals from big brother). The rear sunshades are also part of a £600 pack that I don’t think budget will stretch too.

Volvo XC40 test drive tomorrow but I don’t think it will better the GV60. I have a suspicion that the only question tomorrow will be whether to get the leather seats, or the vision roof. 🧐
I can only comment on the Satellite Navigation system. It’s ridiculously good. I drove across the whole USA and twice it told me to exit off my route. I knew there was an accident down the highway but I was going great with the traffic so I ignored it. It told me to get out to a new route twice more. The second time I took it. 45 minutes out of my way but saved me at least 2-3 hours. Found out highway was totally closed due to fatalities for the whole day. It brought me back to the same highway about 1 mile past the accident. Did it again a couple of days later. .Same situation But I believed it the first time. Only took an extra 10 minutes but I came out just past the accident again. I saw the traffic and it was stopped for miles. Best Navigation system I ever had. Saved me at least 3 hours.
 

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@Biblu: Whereabouts in the UK are you? There are apparently at least a few Premium models on the test fleet, but maybe not in your area?

I suspect that the Premium will drive much the same as the Sport models, though without quite such exhilarating performance of course. But 0-60 should still be in the 5-6 sec range IIRC so certainly still no slouch. But Boost button only available on the Sport Plus unfortunately - perhaps that could change later? I can't remember whether DCC (Dynamic Chassis Control or whatever Genesis call it) is only available on the 4WD models, so maybe the ride might not be quite so good, but perhaps with Premium you would specify the 20" wheels rather than 21" on the Sport Plus, which would soften the ride slightly.

I certainly considered the full electric XC40 ( or, for me, the C40, but maybe you would prefer the extra boot space in the XC40) and it's certainly a nice car that generally reviews very well. But it's still pretty expensive and when I last looked delivery times were well into 2023. But more than anything, the dash, controls and displays didn't cut it for me (and no HUD IIRC). They are competent and fairly minimalist (which I like, especially in the restrained black buttons on the steering wheel), but I just felt that Volvo/Geely were trying to do too much through a relatively small main display.

But obviously you will make up your mind, just noting my own impressions of the (X)C40.
 

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I can only comment on the Satellite Navigation system. It’s ridiculously good. I drove across the whole USA and twice it told me to exit off my route. I knew there was an accident down the highway but I was going great with the traffic so I ignored it. It told me to get out to a new route twice more. The second time I took it. 45 minutes out of my way but saved me at least 2-3 hours. Found out highway was totally closed due to fatalities for the whole day. It brought me back to the same highway about 1 mile past the accident. Did it again a couple of days later. .Same situation But I believed it the first time. Only took an extra 10 minutes but I came out just past the accident again. I saw the traffic and it was stopped for miles. Best Navigation system I ever had. Saved me at least 3 hours.
That's great to know, thanks! I just had a look at the web manual and see that the sat nav is powered by Tom Tom, so that's reassuring.

@Biblu: Whereabouts in the UK are you? There are apparently at least a few Premium models on the test fleet, but maybe not in your area?

I suspect that the Premium will drive much the same as the Sport models, though without quite such exhilarating performance of course. But 0-60 should still be in the 5-6 sec range IIRC so certainly still no slouch. But Boost button only available on the Sport Plus unfortunately - perhaps that could change later? I can't remember whether DCC (Dynamic Chassis Control or whatever Genesis call it) is only available on the 4WD models, so maybe the ride might not be quite so good, but perhaps with Premium you would specify the 20" wheels rather than 21" on the Sport Plus, which would soften the ride slightly.

I certainly considered the full electric XC40 ( or, for me, the C40, but maybe you would prefer the extra boot space in the XC40) and it's certainly a nice car that generally reviews very well. But it's still pretty expensive and when I last looked delivery times were well into 2023. But more than anything, the dash, controls and displays didn't cut it for me (and no HUD IIRC). They are competent and fairly minimalist (which I like, especially in the restrained black buttons on the steering wheel), but I just felt that Volvo/Geely were trying to do too much through a relatively small main display.

But obviously you will make up your mind, just noting my own impressions of the (X)C40.
East Hertfordshire, I asked the gentleman who booked the drive and he said the nearest Premium was in Chester; I got the impression they moved around a bit though - I guess they're the same cars they're using at the events.

Personally, I'm not too interested in the speed, my i3 is 0-60 in 7 or 8 seconds and that is plenty fast enough. My biggest concern is that the test drive had 21" and DCC, and without both of those the car rolls a little more and has a little more bounce to it. Having said that, it must still be better than the SUV setup of the XC 40.

Talking of which, had my test drive this morning and I was suitably impressed with the XC40, it doesn't often get a mention but I think that is because it's just a good competent car without too many bells and whistles. The slightly extra boot space is better for us, but I think we're going for the GV60. I prefer the black buttons and interior of the Volvo but the GV60 felt more spacious, was more comfortable and I think a more premium interior (apart from the silver buttons). It has better infotainment screen positions, especially the driver display, and both my wife and I love to drive with a HUD. I agree with the display size on the XC40, it is too small, but google automotive was a pleasure to use. As was the (permanent) one pedal driving. The Volvo also doesn't allow USB media and given I don't have a streaming account, that's where all my music is.

So now off to the fleet manager to see if I can get the leather seats and panoramic roof! I have a feeling both will be out of budget, so think we're going to go with leather seats over the panoramic roof. Bit worried that the 'artificial leather' seats are a bit naff.
 

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Thread name is Ioniq 5 vs GV60, I'm fortunate to currently own both.

I lined them up the other evening for some quick head to head launches.


One of the main reasons I wanted the gv60 was for the extra power in the performance trim and so far I'm very satisfied on that front. Anything specific that OP might want more opinions on besides what's already been discussed?
 

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Can't comment on the look of the leather - suspect that's down to personal preference. But yes boot space could be a concern. One of the reasons I like the GV60 is that it's not a big car, whereas the I5 is nearly 5 inches longer. But inevitably this impacts on rear+boot space and I think that Genesis have prioritised rear space over boot space. I can live with that, but others might think twice.

Again personally I don't specially care for the looks of the I5 whereas the GV60 looks fine to me. But personal preference again...
Ioniq 5 reminds me of the Austin Maestro from the 1980s
 
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