[jumpmantwo3]

As we move into May, believe pricing for those who pre-ordered a GV70 will be available from the dealers. Looking forward this step and being closer to having my car delivered

My question is specific to the Canadian market Genesis buying process as some of the threads seem to talk about USA. Does Genesis have room for negotiation off MSRP? Heard Genesis pricing is all inclusive, kind of like what Saturn or Scion used to do, or Tesla now. Is this true?

I am coming from brands that traditionally have some room off MSRP. Thanks for the help!

 

[cmdacos]

Hi,
Having just put in an offer to purchase a week and a half ago and delivery slated for this upcoming week, i can tell you there is only a thin amount of movement on the pricing, falling into a very slight increase on my trade in value.

 

[ottawa]

Thanks for the data point. Did they have any "hidden" extra fees? By that I mean not on the website, I don't imply any attempt to trick you at signing. I ask because a price quoted by Honda dealer seems to be the same as on website (stupid expensive PDI, but no extras, though it wasn't a formal computer-generated quote). Meanwhile Subaru and Hyundai both had "Dealer Admin Fee", "Security Program", "Locking Wheel Nuts", and "All Weather Floor Liners" [Subaru] in the quote. Hyundai was actually worse, with $30 Tire Fee vs $20, $70 nuts vs $55 (Genesis is $110, Canadian Tire is $30 and I'd be surprised if any are different), and higher Admin and Security Fees. I consider them hidden because they're not mentioned on the website. Subaru amounted to $750+HST more than the website, Hyundai $1010+HST more than website.

I suppose I can negotiate them off (or refuse to buy the locking nuts and floor mats), but I'm wondering if Genesis.ca really is "this price with HST as stated on website, plus license costs" as promised (and I think as delivered by Honda), or if they'll tell me there's no PDI but a $1000 Dealer Admin Fee, $110 locking nuts, and $500 to engrave security code on windows (for example). Wondering what peoples' experience has been in Canada.

Thanks.

 

[withawye]

Thanks for the data point. Did they have any "hidden" extra fees? By that I mean not on the website, I don't imply any attempt to trick you at signing. I ask because a price quoted by Honda dealer seems to be the same as on website (stupid expensive PDI, but no extras, though it wasn't a formal computer-generated quote). Meanwhile Subaru and Hyundai both had "Dealer Admin Fee", "Security Program", "Locking Wheel Nuts", and "All Weather Floor Liners" [Subaru] in the quote. Hyundai was actually worse, with $30 Tire Fee vs $20, $70 nuts vs $55 (Genesis is $110, Canadian Tire is $30 and I'd be surprised if any are different), and higher Admin and Security Fees. I consider them hidden because they're not mentioned on the website. Subaru amounted to $750+HST more than the website, Hyundai $1010+HST more than website.

I suppose I can negotiate them off (or refuse to buy the locking nuts and floor mats), but I'm wondering if Genesis.ca really is "this price with HST as stated on website, plus license costs" as promised (and I think as delivered by Honda), or if they'll tell me there's no PDI but a $1000 Dealer Admin Fee, $110 locking nuts, and $500 to engrave security code on windows (for example). Wondering what peoples' experience has been in Canada.

Thanks.

Price is as quoted on the website if you click to see detailed pricing it'll show you what extra costs. There aren't admin or hidden fees, just the necessary federal or provincial fees. ie. tire levy, air conditioning, lien registration, etc. But these are clearly listed. On my purchase, there was no effort to hide extras and charges by the distributor, i.e. ceramic coatings, undercoatings, locking wheel nuts, etc. However, if you want those, they do charge extra. I found the pricing spot on, if you like to negotiate and get a thrill from that then this isn't your car brand. Because you can complete your paperwork virtually and they deliver the surprises are limited.

 

[ottawa]

I support a seller not negotiating, as long as the price is fair in the first place. So the Genesis model (as with the Saturn model in the past, I believe) works fine for me. I've just run into salespeople trying to trick me every time I've bought a vehicle in the past (of course the negotiation process gives them more opportunities to do that, another point in favour of Genesis's).

I've seen the screen such as you posted above, and I'm happy to hear if it says $79,509.30 that's really the price. I found with a Subaru quote there were lots of extras over MSRP (and the $130.70 mandatory fees). Some were clearly possible to say "I don't want it" (e.g. locking wheel nuts, floor mats, security program, etc.). With Subaru, I found any that would require negotiation to remove (e.g. dealer admin fee, PDI, etc.) were mentioned in the online quote:

Outback Premier XT

MSRP: $44,195.00
Added Accessories: $0.00
PDI & Freight: $1,875.00
Other Fees: $379.00
Selling Price: $46,449.00 [excluding taxes]

Price is for a new 2022 Outback Premier XT ND2PX and includes MSRP $44,195 plus $1,875.00 freight and PDI, $100.00 air conditioning surcharge, $20.00 duty on new tires, $249.00 dealer administration and documentation fees, and $10.00 other fees and levies (which includes Provincial Ministry Fee, where applicable). Other taxes (including, where applicable, GST and PST or HST), license, insurance and registration are extra. Dealer may sell for less. Dealer order/trade may be necessary. Price subject to change without notice. See your participating Subaru dealer for details.

I don't have the dealer's quote handy, but it was essentially the same, with the addition of what are probably accessories (so I could refuse them). I object to the $249 to cover dealer admin costs, but that's the way the world is going (and I imagine there's some room to negotiate) and at least it's right there when comparison shopping online.

What annoyed me with the Hyundai quote was extra fees that don't even appear on the website.

Tucson Ultimate Hybrid
Price Breakdown
Starting Price: $41,599
Amazon Grey: $200
Grey 2-Tone Leather: $0
New Vehicle Limited Warranty: $0
Other Fees and Levies: $126.70
Delivery & Destination Fees: $1,825
Subtotal: $43,750.70
HST: $5,687.59
Total: $49,438.29

While Subaru's dealer quote included PDI and $249 Dealer Admin Fee, and only snuck in costs that are easily declined, with Hyundai what appeared on the dealer's quote were: Admin ($499!), Carproof, and PPSA. There were also a couple of things like Subaru's accessories, but there's no mention of an Admin Fee on the website (nor of PPSA and Carproof, which I assume are related to this quote being for financing instead of cash). That's why I wanted to make sure Genesis wasn't going to sneak in an Admin Fee or other costs not mentioned on the website. Thanks for the confirmation.

Jealous of your 5% sales tax too.